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companies are in bed with the administration? why? go to glennbeck.com and find a list of all of the questions that we have been asking all week, and get some answers! from new york, good night, america. see you tomorrow. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute ---www.ncicap.org---^ bret: next on "special report" senator ted kennedy dies of brain cancer, and will advocates of healthcare reform try to use kennedy's death to boost their cause? a former c.i.a. inspector general talks about dick cheney's influence in his report on enhanced interrogations and south carolina's embattled governor answered a call from list second in command to step down. all that, plus the fox all-stars, right here, right now. welcome to washington. i'm he bret baier. senator edward kennedy is
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being remembered are today as an iconic larger than life figure who was the anchor of america's first family of politics. kennedy died tuesday night at his cape cod home a little more than a year after being diagnosed with brain cancer. it was the final chapter in a he very public and often troubled life. >> at the end of our journey and always before us shines that ideal of liberty and justice for all. >> not by his own choosing, edward kennedy became the surrogate patriarch of a political dynasty, his life a series of triumphs an losses, all positions prominently in the public eye. he was the youngest of nine children, and by the early 1960's, the kennedy family had become american royalty. john was president. bobby, attorney general, and teddy, as he was affectionately called, was elected to the u.s. senate. assassins' bullets stole john and bobby away, leaving him al
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hone to shoulder the burden of a grieving family. >> those of us who loved him and have taken him to his rest today pray that what he was to us, what he wished for others will some day come to pass for all the world. >> his own aspirations for the white house were derailed in 1969 when his car plunged off a bridge on chappaquiddick on martha's vinyard, killing his passenger, 28-year-old aide mary jo kopechne. kennedy swap swam to the shore and only reported it the next day. the senator told investigators he panicked. >> that tragedy will live with me for the rest of my life, every day of my life. >> an investigation later be a absolveed him of responsibility but the tragedy would haunt his political ambitions for the nation's highest office. until 1980, when he announced his intention to run against incumbent jim my carter. despite ten primary
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victories, it became mathematically impossible for kennedy to win the nomination. he conceded at the democratic convention, rallying the party behind carter and delivering what many called the most passionate speech of his life. >> the work goes on. the cause endures. the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die. >> that election would end his presidential aspirations and soon after that his marriage of 24 years to joan bennett ended as well. after years of questions surrounding his reputation and dips in massachusetts polls, kennedy took responsibility for what he called the faults of his private life. in 1992, he married are victoria reggie, a divorced mother of two. those close to the senator said he had finally found the happiness and peace he had sought for so long. with the death of his nephew, john, jr., in a plane crash, senator kennedy looked beyond his family's legacy and in january of 2008, he endorsed
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barack obama for president. symbolically passing the kennedy torch to a new generation n may 2008, he suffered a seizure at his cape cod home and was diagnosed with a brain tumor. the cancer would kill him exactly one year almost to the hour after he delivered this speech at the democratic national convention in denver. >> we reached the moon. we scaled the heights. i know it. i have seen it. i have lived it. we can do it again! bret: senator kennedy will lie in repose thursday and friday at the j.f.k. presidential library in boston. his funeral will be held saturday at our lady of perpetual help basilica in boston, followed by burial at arlington national cemetery. whether you loved kennedy's politics or hated them, there is no denying that he was one of the most influential senators in u.s. history. chief political correspondent
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carl cameron reports on the kennedy record. >> edward kennedy's eight elections and 47 years in office rank third in u.s. senate history, but his legislative accomplishments mostly bipartisan are unparalleled in the last half century. >> he was really a strong liberal progressive, but all his legislation does not have the mark of a liberal on it. he was willing to make deals to get things done for the american people. >> kennedy began earning his reputation as as as the liberal lion of the senate in the '60's and '70's. he fought against the vietnam war and for civil rights an women's rights an abortion rights. he was critical to passage of bilingual education, and the wick nutrition program for low income mothers with infants, the job training partnership act and the landmark americans with disabilities act. conservative utah senator orrin hatch was a dear personal friend. >> he could get the base and the democratic party to do things that nobody else could get them to do. when he made up his mind that
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he was with you on something, he lived up to his word. he had the most infectious sense of humor. when you get that big old bold laugh, it was really something. i used to get such a kick out of t >> kennedy left a mark on the judiciary process. many say he kicked off what had been 20 years of partisan warfare in the courts with this 1987 attack over supreme court nominee robert bork. >> robert bork's america is a land in which women would be forced into back alley abortions, blacks would sit at segregated lunch counters. >> during the bush administration, he was a opponent of john roberts an samuel alito. under president clinton, kennedy was the prime mover in passing the paid volunteer program called americorps and wrote the bipartisan family and medical leave act allowing people to take time off from work for maternity and medical needs, the original creator of the chips program, health insurance for children of low income families. the massachusetts senator was one of the first opponents of
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the iraq war but also worked with the bush administration, sponsoring the no child left behind education act, and the bush medicare prescription drug benefit behind which kennedy was a driving force. >> kennedy's bipartisanship on healthcare extended to former massachusetts republican governor mitt romney. together, the two crafted that state's universal healthcare program just four years ago, and it is very much one that is being studied on chill for the national healthcare debate that now continues without ted kennedy. bret: carl, thanks. now the white house reaction. the president called kennedy one of the most accomplished americans in history. major garrett is with the president, who is vacationing on martha's vinyard. >> president obama who was last with edward kennedy at the white house april 21 was awakened at 2:00 a.m. of kennedy's death. he called his widow vicky 25 minutes later and this morning set the nation's grief in motion. >> the outpouring of love,
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gratitude and fond memories to which we have all borne witness is a testament to the way this singular figure in american history touched so many lives. his ideas and ideals are stamped on scores of laws an reflected in millions of lives. >> vice president joe biden set aside remarks about a stimulus funded energy project to grieve and pay homage. >> don't you find it remarkable that one of the most partisan liberal men in the last century serving in the senate took so many of his -- so many of his foes and embraced them. >> mr. obama fought the healthcare fight without kennedy, seeing him only at the inauguration and march healthcare event and april bill signing. the president missed not only a powerful rhetoric man but a caring to gra fer, a mapmaker
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to big political deals. christopher dodd took up kennedy's healthcare mantle. after a month when the national debate has turned against democrats, dodd sought this kind of tribute -- >> this will cause people to step back and start talking with each other again in civil tones about what needs to be done. that's what teddy would do. >> west virginia's democratic senator robert byrd also ailing and largely absent from the capitol called for pending healthcare legislation to be named after kennedy. tim kaine described him as an inspiration, unquote, to millions for healthcare coverage. moveon.org asked activists to remobilize for the healthcare fight. this not so subtle pushing may miss democrats's go it alone strategy. >> the president will attend
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kennedy's funeral mass on saturday and deliver an address. the white house says he does not plan to attend kennedy's burial at arlington national cemetery. bret: major, thank you. a group runing ads opposing the current healthcare reform proposals is suspending its campaign temporarily because of senator kennedy's passing. conservatives for patients' rights says now is the time for respect, reflection and remembrance. the opposition to reform continues, however, at town hall meetings. virginia democratic congressman jim moran was greeted by boos tuesday in reston and the crowd frequently interrupted him. former democratic presidential candidate howard dean was also on hand and both were give an hard time by many of the 3,000 people in that audience. well, if you have some cash laying around, california wants it and arnold schwarzneggar has a deal for you, and we will look at the extent to which dick cheney may have influence add c.i.a. investigation into enhanced
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bret: we have new information tonight about how involved dick cheney was in the c.i.a.'s investigation into enhanced interrogations by its personnel on terror suspects. here is national correspondent catherine herridge. >> responding to questions from fox, the former c.i.a. inspector general confirmed that he met with vice president cheney during the course of the investigation to brief him on the report's findings, adding that there was no effort to steer his work in one direction by mr. cheney. despite what you may have read elsewhere, he did not attempt in any way to intimidate me or influence what we were finding, concluding and recommending. helgerson said it was unusual to verse the vice president on the status of a report but this was clearly sense sensitive and it was important that the executive branch had the same information that was also being briefed to a small group in congress.
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i asked mr. helgerson if his investigation was blocked at any time and he replied "no, i did not feel there was any obstruction put up by the agency." not surprisingly those directly involved in the events we were looking at were apprehensive throughout and there were those who limited their cooperation to answering direct questions. there were some including at the heart of the program who privately expressed relief that we were rigorously reviewing everything. tonight, there are questions about why a rebuttal to the ig report was disputed and some of the facts and findings were not declassified on monday with the other documents. one of the facts in dispute was the number of times khalid sheik mohammed was waterboarded. rebuttals are irrelevant to drafts, not like a dissenting opinion in a supreme court ruling and filing is now well documented that there was serious disagreement about elements of that ig report within the agency. bret. bret: we will continue to follow it. catherine, thank you. >> you're welcome.
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bret: the justice department is now pursuing its own inquiry into the interrogations and it comes at a time when the c.i.a. is taking fire in washington. correspondent james rosen reports this is not the first time the c.i.a. has come under political attack. >> attorney general eric holder's criminal investigation of c.i.a. officers who interrogated terrorists an rerecent charges by speaker nancy pelosi and other democrats that the c.i.a. misled them have led some republicans to accuse the democrats of waging war on america's spies. >> they kept us safe for eight years and now to have an attorney general of the united states open up a criminal investigation against them is disgraceful and i think it is going to have a demoralizing effect for the c.i.a. >> there is the president waving goodbye. >> the watergate scandal ushered in the first great wave of attacks on the intelligence community. seymour hearst's "washington post" and new york times
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report shows violations of the agency's charter. the ensuing furor led to explosive senate hearings, led by the late frank church, democrat of idaho. >> when is committee is not satisfied -- >> the house and senate formed permanent oversight panels an further restrictions were placed on c.i.a. assets at home and abroad. >> the church hearings and investigations and all of the media attacks in the '07's hurt the c.i.a. and hurt them for two decades. >> former senator walter huddleston who served on the church committee defends its role on exposing and curbing intelligence abuses. >> i believe in the long run, we probably saved the intelligence operations, because had they continued as they were, it might well have been a major move to just eliminate them. >> the september 11 attacks produced a new surge in public backing for more aggressive intelligence tactics. they also produced in late 2005 a new new york times expose about the national
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security agency conducting warrantless wiretaps but no real furor followed. >> it is a very different moment than the church committee. after 30 years of revelations, people are more hardened to this and are no longer surprised to find out that the c.i.a. or the n.s.a. is spying on them. >> with americans still 'em embroiled in two foreign wars, it remains to be seen whether the current controversies mark another watershed moment or simply a skirmish between spies continuing to operate in secrecy and those charged with their oversight. in washington, james rosen, fox news. bret: the governor of new jersey has a message for muammar qaddafi of libya -- stay away. jon corzine says quk quk is not welcome muammar qaddafi is not welcome in new jersey, saying "he might stay at a hotel in new york city." they are upset over the
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bret: south carolina governor mark sanford says he will not be railroaded out of office, responding to a call from list number two that he resign. jonathan is live in south carolina with an interesting day in southern politics. good evening, jonathan. >> interesting indeed. it began in the 11th hour, at 11:22 a.m., lieutenant governor andre bauer called for a news conference, calling reporters scrambling to the statehouse.
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at that news conference, bougher called on mark sanford to resign saying the serious misconduct that has been revealed along with lingering questions and continuing distractions make it virtually impossible for our state to solve the critical problems we are facing without a change in leadership. governor sanford's extramarital affair has put him under fire since june when he disappeared for five days to visit her in argentina. since then, sanford has faced media scrutiny over allegations that the fiscal conservative had used state planes for personal and political travel as well as purchasing first class tickets at taxpayer expense. this afternoon, the governor insisted he had purchased no first class tickets and that his travel on state aircraft was a fraction of that of previous administrations, and while he said escaping the media and political frenzy now would be something close to heaven on earth, he said there is too much work to be done on important issues such as jobs and the economy for him to step down now.
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>> what is une unequivocally clear is that the time of my time in politics is in 16 months, but i do want to make the most of it. >> now, lieutenant governor bauer is considered a likely candidate for governor in 2010, but today he offered not to run in that election if governor sanford were to step down, but apparently that's not happening. bret. bret: jonathan, thank you. well, the final numbers are in for the cash for clunkers program. the transportation department says dealers submitted just over 690,000 vouchers for almost $2.9 billion in rebates. in the umber one car purchased under the program was the toyota corolla. toyota, honda and nissan accounted for 41% of sales, outpacing detroit's big three that had 39%. new home sales jumped 9.6% in july, the fourth straight monthly gain. orders for durable goods increased 4.9%, the biggest
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bret: and now some fresh pickings from the political grapevine. who says crime doesn't pay? the federal government made a $425,000 mistake by mailing stimulus checks to hundreds of convicts behind bars. the $250 checks were supposed to be sent to those legally receiving benefits from the social security administration, the department of veteran affairs or the railroad board between november of 2008 and january of 2009. the social security spokesman says 1,700 ineligible inmates got payments. he insists the error is relatively small and that most of the money has been
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returned, but house minority whip eric cantor says, quote, "it speaks to the lack of oversight and accountability to have such nonsense coming out of washington. the head of the democratic party in colorado is backtracking after suggesting republicans were responsible for an attack on the group he's main office. vandals smashed windows displaying posters, touting president obama and his healthcare reform effort at democratic headquarters in denver early tuesday. the denver post reports the party chairwoman initially called it an effort on the other side to stir up hate. she has since said there is anger now on both sides of the aisle. the reversal is due to this little fact -- police have arrested a democratic party operative with a criminal record charging him with the vandalism. media reports say maurice swankeller worked for the democratic caucuses and campaigned for at least one state democratic candidate and paid by liberal groups. republican state
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representative david ballmer has a conspiracy theory, quote, this sounds like the kind of democratic tactic from the left fringe trying to make republicans look mean-spirited n this case, it blew up in their face. and arnold schwarzneggar is having a garage sale. yep. the republican governor of california is hoping to help balance his state's budget by selling thousands of surplus state items on websites such as ebay and craigslist, and during a public auction this weekend. schwarzneggar is signing some of the merchandise in an effort to raise even more money after getting the suggestion from one of his followers on the social networking site twitter. an advisor calls it an innovative idea but a democratic state senator tells the los angeles times he is amazed schwarzneggar still resorts to these antics that are reflective of a person that is larger than life. in news around the world, pakistan is being warned by intelligence officials that the new boss of the pakistani taliban may stage high-profile
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attacks to show the group is still in business. national security correspond engine fer griffin is at the pefnts gone with details. >> the question being asked by western intelligence agents is who is the new boss of pakistan's taliban? yesterday, for the first time, since an attack by a u.s. predator on august 5, the taliban spokesman finally confirmed that masoud, the man who ordered benazir bhutto assassinated was killed in that predator strike on august 5. they were buying time to choose a successor. two rival commanders were chosen. one of them is shown here, haka masoud, a hot headed 29-year-old responsible for manning to attack the australian high commission in islamabad last year. pakistani intelligence services say they believe he was killed by his rival last week, positioning himself for control, raman issued this
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warning. >> obama is our number one enemy. we are out to fight against him. for us, death is more lovable than life and for us, the taliban, it's not difficult to reach anywhere, whether it is washington, london, paris or kabul, we will prove that we can reach their places. >> pakistani and western intelligence officials worry that means the new leader may order a high-profile bombing or attack like this suicide bombing on the marriott hotel in islamabad last september in order to prove that he is, in fact, the new leader of pakistan's taliban. bret. bret: jennifer griffin live at the pentagon. thank you. elsewhere in the world, talks in london between the u.s. and israel are producing what was called good progress today toward the reopening of the peace process with the palestinians. american envoy george mitchell met today for four hours with israeli prime minister netanyahu. in afghanistan, rescue workers were pulling people out of the rubble today following a deadly explosion tuesday night
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in kandahar. the intear your ministry says at least 43 died in what was believed to be a remote-controlled truck bombing. the taliban is denying responsibility n moscow, russian prime minister vladimir putin told government officials today they need to do something to fix the country's crumbling infrastructure. putin will return friday to the scene of last week's hydroelectric plant accident in syberia. dana lewis reports that accident may have just been the beginning. >> in siberia, the site of russia's largest hydroelectric dam, they are still searching for missing work hes in the flooded turbine hole. more than 70 are dead and all russian authorities will acknowledge is it was some sort of technical tragic problem. but here's what has also surfaced -- as far back as 1988, russian authorities were warned the dam had fallen into neglect and disrepair t was already unsafe 21 years ago, so when russian prime minister vladimir putin toured the site
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last week and ordered a national review of all major infrastructure in russia, he was more than a little late. >> the prime minister putin, right after the catastrophe of the hydroelectric plant, he said all major enterprises have been inspected, being that there haven't been inspections recently, which is actually deplorable. >> from nuclear power plants to train lines and bridges that support them, russia's infrastructure is crumbling. the dam isn't an isolated tragedy, say experts. it's just the beginning of a widespread collapse of soviet-era infrastructure that is beyond wobbly. >> in russia, the average age of capital equipment is more than 20 years, whereas in the states, say, or in western europe, it would range from ten to 15 years. >> money that should have gone to repairing and rebuilding was either not allocated in the oil boom times or analysts say it was stolen by corrupt officials.
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if you believe some of the frightening predictions by engineers in russia, over the next five years, this will be a string of disasters brought on by collapsing infra structure. they will tell you even if the kremlin got serious about trying to fix it all right now, it is probably too late. they have run out of time. in moscow, dana lewis, fox news. bret: we will look at the life and legacy of senator edward kennedy when the fox all-stars join me after the break. it's critical that i stick to my medication. i cannot be one of the 61 million americans
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>> despite being given the opportunities denied when his brothers were taken from us, it is time to say thank you and goodbye. >> don't you find it remarkable that one of the most partisan liberal men in the last century serving in the senate took so many of his
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his -- so many of his foes embracing them. >> the president and vice president reacting to the death of senator ted kennedy who died at his home in hyannis port last night exactly one year almost to the hour after he delivered a speech at the democratic national convention in denver, the last big speech he would deliver. let's bring in our panel now, bill kristol, editor of the weekly standard, kiersten powers, columnist with the new york post and syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. bill, your thoughts on his life and legacy. >> my condolences to his family, obviously. i wasn't a big fan of his politics and i didn't really admire him, so maybe i won't say very much. in terms of his politics, though just to get away from the personal stuff, he was a liberal. he didn't change in the 47 years he was in the united states senate and some people might call that admirable
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consistency. i regard that as being blind to reality and refusing to learn from the facts. he continued to advocate policies that had long proven not to work, and leaving aside his personal life once again, the only thing i would not forgive him for was the speech denouncing robert bork totally unfairly, opposing robert bork when he was nominated to the supreme court with the famous speech where he made it seem as if bob bork was in favor of segregating blacks and discriminating against people was really not a low point in american politics. bret: do you buy the talk today that he was very effective behind closed doors in the senate to make things happen? >> he was a good negotiator and i knew plenty of senators and people in the bush administration who negotiated with him. you went in to give in a little bit, he didn't obstinately stick to straight liberal lines and kept his word in political negotiations in the senate. in that respect he was an effective liberal united states senator.
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bret: kiersten? >> i think that's something that a lot of people feel is missing in the healthcare debate. there has been a lot of discussion of what the healthcare debate would have been hike without him, people like orrin hatch coming out and say they feel that he could work with republicans and would find some way to have some consensus versus the way it's being done now. i'm a little skeptical about that considering the tenor of politics now and the way things are on the hill. in terms of, you know, his legacy and who he is, i have a slightly different take, of course, than bill, you know, as a democrat growing up in this country, the kennedys were always really represented as royalty of the democrats, this very well -- i mean, he was more liberal than his brothers, i guess, but people who were very privileged but still felt an obligation to give back to the country. they obviously loved this country very much, whether you agreed with their politics or not, and i think that, you know, being an unabashed liberal in the way that he was and being a really vocal
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person who could talk about things like healthcare as a human right was something that i think is going to be missing with him gone. bret: you mentioned healthcare. here is just a snippet from that speech at the democratic national convention. >> this is the cause of my life, new hope that we will break the old gridlock and guarantee that every american, north, south, east, west, young, old, will have decent quality healthcare as a fundamental right and not a privilege! bret: charles, he used that line in many, many speeches throughout his career. what about his role in the healthcare debate, and what democrats should or could do in his passing? >> well, i suspect they will name the bill after him as a way to gather sentimental support. i'm not sure it will have much of an effect, but in looking at him, his legacy, i would
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take the middle road, the high road between the kir kirsten and bill. look, this is the most important senator since lyndon johnson and the most important senator in american history who never became majority leader. he was the de facto who had american liberalism as an idology and i think a future historian might say his political life heavily influenced the trajectory of american liberalism. in a sense, he they might conclude that he was one of its champions but he took it too far. he overshot. i will give you two examples. civil rights, he and his brother bobby were early dedicated and sincere champions, courageous of civil rights, but teddy took it into affirmative action and reversed discrimination which was more highly problematic.
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secondly was in the social safety net. he was a strong supporter of social security, extending it to the disabled and medicare and children's health, but he took it way into the great society which created a culture of dependency which ironically had to be undone by a moderate democrat president clinton. in that speech that we saw, the most famous he ever gave of the dream will never die, that was not a speech given against reagan or a right wing, it was given against the moderate jimmy carter. he represented the extreme liberalism in a sense, and in a sense, that's why the democrats were denied the white mouse for almost all of the last -- the white house for the last 50 years with the exception of clinton and carter, the likes of whom kennedy opposed. bret: bill, do you think that the old-style politics around personality and relationships is over? >> in a word, no, but teddy
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kennedy also challenged the sitting democratic president, jimmy carter and i approve of that since it made it easy foreronald reagan to beat him. so that is another contribution he made to american history. bret: didn't your former boss, dan quayle, work with ted kennedy? >> he did and i dealt with senator kennedy sporadicly in those years and i did my job and i dealt with him professionally and he was professionally to me and he had a real charm and if one was going to ignore what one knew about his personal history, one could, i think, be quite charmed by him and in any case he was pleasant. i think it was one foreign trip we went on, he went on air force ii with the vice president to latin america and i got to say there was a glimpse of old liberalism that is associated with john kennedy, especially. i was briefing him and the vice president and others on the trip and the national security people were briefing him and i said to senator kennedy you may not agree on this but he said we're traveling abroad together.
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we'll represent the united states together. i'll follow the vice president's lead. he didn't adhere to that, because he add attacked president bush over iraq, quite unfairly, i think, but at that moment i saw an glimpse of bipartisanship on foreign policy. bret: go to foxnews.com for all the information on ted kennedy's life and legacy. visit the interactive segment for a 25-minute photo essay on-line. we will look at c.i.a. inspector general's report on enhanced interrogations and what influence dick cheney might have had when we come back. ñÑ-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-dd
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>> i believe that the c.i.a.'s best days are still yet to
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come and you will have my support an appreciation as you carry on this critical work. we live in dangerous times. i am going to need you more than ever. >> they have kept us safe for eight years and now to have an attorney general of the united states opening up a criminal investigation against them is disgraceful and i think it's going to have a demoralizing effect to the c.i.a. and its it's going to take the edge off them they need. bret: the first clip was the president talking to c.i.a. officials there, saying that they have done a good job keeping the country safe, and of course, attorney general eric holder this week announcing an investigation into the interrogation of terrorists, so where are we with this? what does it mean to the intelligence community? we're back with our panel. charles. >> well, they have been badly damaged. look, the c.i.a. central intelligence has given intelligence during two wars and was aggressive during the eight years of the bush
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administration and prevented a second attack. now everyone interrogate something scared to death and nobody is going to do anything that is not exactly by the book and extremely passive and ineffective. secondly, the administration has removed the interrogation of high-level al qaeda out of the c.i.a. it is now going to be housed in the f.b.i. and directed by the white house. that means that if you catch an important terrorist, the c.i.a. is not going to investigate it, and if you catch, you know, a farmer in afghanistan who is driving a consignment of sheep across a war zone and you catch him, well, that's going to be c.i.a. work. it's been cut out of the main human intelligence gathering, and i think if i were head of the c.i.a. as panetta is, who has been trumped and rebuffed and humiliated, had his agency emasculated. he ought to resign on principle. bret: is this a very tough issue on this administration,
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the action of attorney general holder? >> i guess it s i suppose that it is. i don't think that it should be. it is a distraction from things that obama wants to focus on. he is certainly one of the little areas that he still actually has a high approval rating on is foreign policy, so he probably doesn't want to cause a problem there, but i think substantively what eric holder is doing is correct, and the idea that he kept us safe for eight years, well, ok, setting aside whether or not that's true, let's say that they did, what does that mean? we don't investigate where a law was brokeen? that doesn't make any sense. i also am one of those people that believes that you can get very effective information not torturing or using enhanced interrogations. we have done it in iraq where they did it -- didn't do the types of things that were being done under these circumstances that we're talking about and were able to get intelligence. there is no proof that using enhanced interrogation got better information. we know that they got information. we don't know that it came
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from enhanced interrogation. i just think that it is correct for holder to be doing this and i know obama doesn't want to get in the middle of it and wants us to be looking forward. i just disagree with that. bret: bill, there was left-leaning blogs that were looking for the ig report to be the smoking gun against the allegation that the enhanced interrogation techniques did not work. the former c.i.a. inspector general, john hellgerson did say he met with cheney and during the course of the investigation to brief him on the findings and there was no information that he steered any information one way or another to suggest that he had his hand in it in some way. what about all of that? >> no, and the techniques were from the professionals of the c.i.a. that they thought were important and & these people would not talk about the techniques used. they did talk to the c.i.a. officials and they said they
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got very important information that saved lives. we can say prove it but that's what they have done. what the president has done is hard to square with taking seriously his responsibilities as commander in chief. if you think the war on terror is serious and still going on fmplet you think this was a one-shot deal, that the c.i.a. did these things and now we can relax and sit back, then fine, but that's what we're doing. charles is absolutely right. the f.b.i. is now in charge of the interrogation of high-value targets. think about that. the the f.b.i., not the c.i.a. and they will use the army field manual. for get it. if there is another khalid sheik mohammed, we're not going to learn anything. bret: i want to say one thing. yesterday juan williams said this new group will find the best techniques that do not require you to pull out people's fingernails. he was not challenged on that. we received hundreds of e-mails. juan said it was a shorthand or euphemism for all of the techniques and not about torture. he said it wasn't about any specifics. thank you for the e-mails.
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bret: senator kennedy served through 10 presidencies. it was rare for the public to get a private clemson descender. we will show you a video that was used to introduce. >> i think of him as a man with for the big shoulders. he is funny and he leads the way. he is the pied piper in our family. >> let's count them. what do we call that one at the top? >> the